Saturday, August 27, 2005

An ancient question for the Creationists

As I understand it, the premise of Intelligent Design is that the ecosystem (or parts thereof) is too complex to be described adequately by the theory of evolution. Creationists therefore conclude that there must be a Creator. If the ecosystem is the result of intelligent design, then the intelligence responsible for that design must, ipso facto, be more complex than the design itself, or you would have something akin to the old "monkeys with typewriters" scenario. Since no explanation but creation is acceptable to Creationists regarding the state of the planet, and since the postulated Creator represents an even higher level of complexity,

Quis no nostri formator?

(Who made our maker?)

8 Comments:

At 11:10 AM, Blogger BEAST said...

"If God made Man, who made God?" I asked my Christian aunt when I was aunt. Guess what was the reply?

"The devil is planting those devious seeds of doubt in your head.Don't let the devil tempt you."

Sigh.

 
At 4:08 PM, Blogger Skull_Duggery said...

Yes, those awful, devious seeds of doubt....known in my circle as INTELLIGENT THOUGHT!!!

It kind of makes me want to throw my hands up in the air in frustration and go find myself an island to inhabit with a few close friends.

 
At 6:37 PM, Blogger Olivia said...

I hate trying to make sense of this over and over again.

Sure, humans are curious and all, but why can't we just accept that it might all be a fluke? I'm in the process of un-Catholicizing myself. God doesn't seem real to me. But evolution seems too damn complex and picky. Why reason it out? Just accept it. Everything out there in great vastness of everything is so complex, how can humans be so arrogant as to imagine themselves understanding it?

I'm alive. Or at least I think I'm alive. This could all be an illusion and not actually reality. But either way, one day I won't be here anymore. What will happen to us mentally, spiritually, etc.. who knows? We can't know. (Who knows what else is out there. on a physical level, or mental, or supernatural....) That's why we're human. We're limited. So work with what you've got. Ask questions, sure. But I don't think it makes a difference in the big picture if we dwell on it, or how much time we devote to it. We've got sentience and all that humanly stuff going for us, so think-away. But being human also means not being able to understand it all, which we can't seem to get our heads around.

But hey, it's all perception of sorts, right? So whatever works for you.

 
At 6:38 PM, Blogger Olivia said...

Also, who's to say there is order to all of it?

There doesn't have to be a "creator" or theory. Can't it just.. be?

 
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At 2:23 AM, Blogger DUB said...

Good ol' infinite regress.

Call Occham's razor into play with this one. It's all you can really do to prevent insanity obsessing about it.

I fully acknowledge the near statistical impossibility presented in calculating the odds against life "just happening."

The difference between myself and the champions of ID that push these figures is that I also acknowledge the even more astronomical set of odds that apply to the creator "just happening," since such a force/being logically must be more complex than the proposed first life.

How they've managed to miss the next "how" in the sequence - one the average 5 year old child easily advances - is beyond me.

 
At 1:01 PM, Blogger breakerslion said...

And the next bit of logic goes like this:

The chances of life "just happening" are infinitely small, and the chances of an all-powerful, omnipotent, time-independent being "just happening" to be able to exist in a temporal Universe are infinitely smaller than that. The odds of that same super-being actually "happening" to have the vision, desire and the follow-through to create all which is in existence, for no particular reason other than it can, is infinitely smaller than THAT!

Another argument against Intelligent Design: Tooth decay!

 
At 8:30 AM, Blogger Samuel Luke Johnston said...

Here's an argument for intelligent design: Jesus Christ. And when you burn in hell, remember who told you.

 

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